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Issue #113 - December18, 2004

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IN THIS ISSUE:

1. EDITORIAL: "A Request for Prayer, two more websites
completed and the best story of the year"

2 CONTRACT OPPORTUNITY: "Examiners needed for legitimate
polygraph testing for body building contests in 2005"

3. IN THE FORUMS:

PUBLIC FORUM: "My boyfriend just took a quadra track
computer comparison test...he failed but the examiner
told him his answers got progressively less deceptive
each time she asked the question..."

EXAMINERS ONLY FORUM: "Any DoD people out there aware
of CVSA being used for anything other than research?"

There are now 128 examiners registered to use the
private forum.

4. FEATURE ARTICLE: "R/I or R/R?" by Nathan Gordon

5. UPCOMING SEMINARS: Is your state association having
a seminar anytime in the year 2005 ??????????????
Please send me the details so we can let everyone
know.

NATIONAL POLYGRAPH ASSOCIATION January 2005
MARYLAND POLYGRAPH ASSOCIATION February 2005

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1. EDITORIAL: "A Request for Prayer, two more websites
completed and the best story of the year"

I met Morris Covin at the AAPP Conference in Hilton Head
a couple of years ago. I knew after only a few minutes of
talking with him, that this was a good man and a dedicated
professional. He has been serving with his Polygraph
Instrument for over 33 years.

Recently, Morris confided in me that he has been
diagnosed with Lung Cancer and was given six months to
live. But rather than surrender, he has decided to put up
a fight. I for one am joining that fight through prayer.

We are believing together in Psalm 103 that this Cancer
can go into remission or even disappear. If you are a
person of faith, please pray for Morris as you are
reminded to.

If you want to know more about Morris, you can read of
his dedication and achievements on his website.

http://www.morriscovin.com

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2 CONTRACT OPPORTUNITY: "Examiners needed for legitimate
polygraph testing for body building contests in 2005"

Why do I say legitimate? Because the first email I
received asked if I knew anyone who could do 20 minute
tests for $35 each.

I explained to him the danger in what he was really
doing by allowing these type of tests. During several
email correspondences, I explained that a good polygraph
test cannot be done in 20 minutes and that he will need
to do at least 90 minute tests and that they will cost
a minimum of $100 to $150 per test. Also, no more than
five a day.

I also explained that he will need a suitable, quiet
testing facility. To his credit, I believe he wants
his events to be high quality and he agreed to start
doing legitimate screening exams for his body building
contests.

I know there are some skeptics among you who think this
type of testing shouldn't be done at all, but what can
I say, I disagree. I think that we need to bring
professionalism into polygraph in all fields and this is
one step in the right direction. A chance to influence
the entire industry of bodybuilding and also to help
stem the use of illegal steroids.

I told this event coordinator that I would help him
locate examiners who would be interested in doing tests
for him in 2005 under the above stated conditions.

So here is the opportunity. This coordinator has events
in all of the following states next year. If you are
interested in conducting these tests and can work
within the costs of $100 to $150 a test, shoot me an
email or call me and tell me what state you are
interested in covering and we'll take it from there.

Bodybuilding Contests in 2005

Pittsburgh, PA
Richmond, VA
State College, PA
Cape Cod, MA
Newark, DE
Vicksburg, MS
Chambersburg, PA
Suitland, MD
Las Vegas, NV
Bristol, CT
Southern NJ area
Baltimore, MD
Raleigh, NC
Miami, FL

Let me know if you are interested.

Ralph Hilliard
770.794.1325
mailto:support@polygraphplace.com

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3. IN THE FORUMS:

*** PUBLIC FORUM ***

"My boyfriend just took a quadra track computer
comparison test...he failed but the examiner told him
his answers got progressively less deceptive each time
she asked the question..."

http://www.polygraphplace.com/ubb/NonCGI/Forum3/HTML/000024.html


*** EXAMINERS ONLY FORUM ***

"Any DoD people out there aware of CVSA being used for
anything other than research?"

This is an important discussion that we need some more
insight into, please speak up if you have any
knowledge

To read and respond on this topic, you must have
registered and specifically requested access to the
private part of this forum.

You can read the requirements for joining this private
forum here:
http://www.polygraphplace.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/Ultimate.cgi

Just scroll to the bottom and READ ALL THE DIRECTIONS
under the heading...

*** Polygraph Professionals only - A PRIVATE Forum ***

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4. FEATURE ARTICLE: "R/I or R/R?" by Nathan Gordon

I often hear examiners who have conducted a pre-employment
examination where only Irrelevant and Relevant questions
were asked, describe it as an R/I technique format. I
believe this classification is incorrect.

I define a R/I technique as a mixed issue examination where
questions fall into two categories: Irrelevant Questions
and Relevant Questions. The latter will usually consist of
questions of varied emotional weight/threat.

What I mean by varied emotional weight is that if the
suspect is deceptive to the matter under inquiry his/her
perception of the threat of lying to the relevant
questions, and consequently his/her psychophysiological
reactions on the examination to them, could and probably
will be different, even though the answers to all of the
questions are lies.

For example, am individual enters a Seven Eleven
convenience store, pulls out a gun and demands money from
the clerk. After receiving $3,000., he shoots the clerk
and flees. Subsequently, a suspect is apprehended.

The test questions in the R/I format would consist of
Irrelevant Questions, such as:

Is your first name James?
Were you born in the U.S.?
Is your last name Smith?
Do you live in Philadelphia?
Is today Friday?

And Relevant Questions, such as:

Were you present when that Seven Eleven was held up?
Did you receive any of that stolen Seven Eleven money?
Did you hold up that Seven Eleven?
Did you shoot that Seven Eleven clerk?
Do you know for sure who held up that Seven Eleven?

The determination of this suspect's truth or deception to
the crime will be an evaluation of the degree of
psychophysiological reactions which occurred to the
Irrelevant Questions, with those emitted to the Relevant
Questions. If the reactions to the Relevant Questions are
significantly greater than those emitted to the Irrelevant
Questions the suspect will be determined to be
non-truthful, and visa-versa.

Further, as an examiner I would suspect that there may be
differences in the intensity of reactions to the Relevant
Questions based on the suspect's involvement in the crime,
even though he has lied to all of them. If the subject
was a former employee who helped plan the hold up his
reactions to "knowledge" of the hold up or "receiving"
stolen money may be significantly greater than those
concerning the actual commission of the crime. If this was
the perpetrator, perhaps he will react strongly to "Did
you stick up?" and "Did you shoot?" yet, show little
reaction to the secondary Relevant Questions concerning
"presence," "knowledge" or "receiving," since they are
less threatening areas of inquiry.

How does this differ from a pre-employment examination
which is commonly referred to as being performed utilizing
the R/I technique? There is still a mixture of Irrelevant
and Relevant Questions in the format, however, all of the
Relevant Questions have equal emotional weight, in the
sense that lying to any of them will result in not being
hired.

Secondly, the primary determination of this applicant's
truth or deception to any Relevant Question will NOT be
an evaluation of the degree of reactions to the Irrelevant
Questions, with the reactions emitted to the Relevant
Questions, but the consistent reaction to a Relevant
Question(s) as compared to significantly lesser reactions
to other Relevant Question(s) of the same emotional weight
and threat.

In essence, this pre-employment examination is not an
R/I test, it is an R/R test. We are saying that since all
of the Relevant Questions have the ability to deny
employment, and therefore of equal threat and emotional
weight. If an applicant is asked Relevant Questions on the
test concerning: Illegal Drugs, Undetected Crimes,
Employment Honesty, and Employment Terminations, for
example, what other explanation can there be for
significant reactions to one Relevant Question(s), but
not to the others, except for the fact that the
applicant's past behavior related to this question(s),
and his denial of it, have made this a threatening issue?

The scientific argument we hear concerning the "Comparison"
test is how can we be sure of the threat and significance
of the examinee's perception of the comparison question
with that of the relevant question? In an R/R test this
question is eliminated! In theory, the R/R test is easier
to explain than the more scientific "Comparison Question"
test. Lying to any of the Relevant Questions equals denial
of employment, thus all of the Relevant Questions have
equal threat. When there are significant reactions to one
of these relevant questions, and lack of reaction to the
others, we can safely conclude there is past behavior
related to this relevant issue that the applicant has
chosen not to disclose which has resulted in this outcome.

Nathan J. Gordon
Director
Academy for Scientific Investigative Training
http://www.polygraph-training.com

To send feedback, just hit your reply button and all
comments will be forwarded on to Nathan.

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5. UPCOMING SEMINARS: Is your state association having
a seminar anytime in the year 2005 ??????????????
Please send me the details so we can let everyone
know. mailto:support@polygraphplace.com


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- NATIONAL POLYGRAPH ASSOCIATION 2005 SEMINAR -
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When? January 24-26th, 2005
Where? Imperial Palace Hotel & Casino
Las Vegas, NV

For information contact Gary Davis 785-828-3248
e-mail: nationalpolygraph@yahoo.com

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- MARYLAND POLYGRAPH ASSOCIATION 2005 SEMINAR -
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When? February 3-4, 2005
Where? Comfort Inn - 800-424-6423
Bowie, MD. 20716
How Much? $175 for MPA members, $200 non-members

For information contact Dan Seiler 301-791-7039 ext 117
e-mail: dan@copscorp.com

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